sort of like the way "messianic Jews" renamed the New Testament the "Brit Chadasha" to make it sound more appealing to Jews in their attempt to convert them to Christianity through deception and trickery?|||So Christians would accept a book that says Jesus is not their savior or the Son of God which is a direct contradiction of the New Testament because you rename said book?|||Nope.|||Does anyone ask real questions anymore?|||no it would not|||No Christian will ever accept the Quran.|||no because of what it teaches|||Yeah. Tack it on to the end of the book of mormon.
Call it the "New Newer Newest Testament"|||I already tried it with The Kama Sutra. I was flogged, and enjoyed it.|||I doubt it.
The Koran is pretty specific in some of it's criticisms of Christian doctrine, particularly the divinity of Christ. Some of this criticism if pretty well founded, IMHO, but a lot goes to far for most Christians to accept.|||You must have too much free time to think of this question.Of course not.|||no.|||If you renamed it the" newest testament" ,you probably would sell some,but most of us who know the truth would probably just laugh!|||No, won't work. You'd get laughed at and put down. Very few would be deceived, so that's what you want right, to deceive them? Have you read the New Testament? Jesus tells you what happens to those who deceive.|||No it would not. Anyone or anything that denies that Jesus is the Son of God is of the Spirit of Anti-Christ.|||This is a sharper question than others seem to think. I'll reply to the implication: yes, I would find it offensive, if I were a Jew, to have my scriptures relegated to the status of preamble to another book that draws heavily on them, thinks they prophesy some great new teacher, but then turns round and basically tells me I've got it all wrong. Unfortunately, this is what religions do: they emerge from something older then claim superiority to their origins.
If Koran is to Christian Bible as Christian Bible is to Jewish Scriptures ("Old Testament") then the idea of re-naming it the "Newest Testament" would make sense. The reason it ain't going to happen is that whereas Christians claim continuity with the Jews, Islam clearly distances itself from them - not least on grounds of Arabic identity.
But in any case the Mormons have beaten you to it. Their holy book DOES claim to be a "newest testament", though it is a dreary fantasy of no spiritual value and certainly not on a par with the Koran.|||How is this trickery , it is a Masonic version of the new testament in other words more in line with ancient hebrew custom and culture..we have very direct meanings of the words of the Gospel...like Memory , or memorial... like when Jesus said (Do this in Memory of me) He only spoke Hebrew and would have used the hebrew word ( Zenhahc) which that one word means ...do this tomorrow as you do this today so the past Will always be present.... sounds like a memory ...he wants us to do this again so remember....we then thru the years change it to do this in memorial of me...which is more of a symbol of something...not an action in which Jesus told the Apostles to tell us...because of this Now people do not even consider the Bread %26amp; wine significant..
THE ACTION?
Take this all of you and eat this...THIS is my body which will be given up for you. Take this all of you and drink , this is the cup of my Blood the blood of the new and everlasting covenant it will be shed for you and for all so that sins may be forgiven..( Zenhahc)
So Hebrew Christians in fact are going back to the original text to get the true understanding of what and how it was said.|||Psst to the Christians -- the 'NT' is as contradictory to Torah as the Quran is to the 'NT'.
That's the point.|||No. Not at all. When you use the term, "brainwashing" you may very well be referring to yourself. It would appear as though you have been falsely lead to believe that Jewish people that recognize Jesus as the Messiah, somehow loose their heritage and culture and become, non-Jews. I'm wondering who is on drugs now, or perhaps should be.|||Capitalgentleman gave a great answer. I will copy it to show what a GREAT answer it was..because it illustrates so PERFECTLY why the New Testament is glaringly obvious replacement theology that not only turns the Tanakh ( Jewish Bible) topsy turvy, but it outright insults and demonizes the believing Jews for not abandoning Judaism FOR it. This explains some of the reasons why the NT is irrelevant to the religion of Judaism.
"I doubt it.
The Koran is pretty specific in some of it's criticisms of Christian doctrine, particularly the divinity of Christ. Some of this criticism if pretty well founded, IMHO, but a lot goes to far for most Christians to accept."
The New Testament is pretty specific in its criticisms of Judaism and goes too far for Jews to accept as legitimate.
Not only are there a great many places where the Jews are outright demonized..but
The New Testament obviously goes beyond what anyone who believes the commandments of the Tanakh could accept as legitimate..if one believes that for at least 1500 years before it appeared..the words of the Tanakh were honest..why would God then say..wait a minute..you know those dozens of times I said and said through my prophets that the covenant is ETERNAL and that men do not become gods, nor should you ever worship anything on earth or in heaven before me, and that human sacrifice is an abomination..well...I take that back and now...you can ONLY reach me if you pray to or through a man that I took possession of and is really me in mortal form.(forget all those stories in Torah and Tanakh condemning the notion of men as gods and even where I said directly that God is not a man).and that whole..don't eat blood ever or you'll be cut off from your people thing...well, that's been changed too..because from now on, symbolically at least you need to drink my dead human form's blood and consider him a one time, one size fits all sacrifice for sin...so don't worry about the repentance and return thing and making amends and restitution any time you do wrong then first seeking the pardon from the one you wronged before asking Me and showing your sincere repentance by not ever doing that bad thing again...just consider that anything you have ever done or will do is already forgiven. Don't let worry over a little guilt whenever you have done something wrong happens..just forget about it, you're "saved". Let the "guilt" feelings in those who don't think they're "saved through works" motivate them to try to do something to help ameliorate it in vain. You know how Israel believed that humans were not born sinful but had both good and evil inclinations but could master the evil through choice and practice of good? Well, forget all that, you're born SINFUL and only if you rely on the blood of a human sacrifice is your nasty sin "washed" and are you "worthy" to exist at all. Don't overly concern yourself with your actions and repair of the world, it's the afterlife you should worry over..all that stuff that the Egyptians obsessed over..rather than the gift of life we have now and the lives that will come after you here. This world will be "done away" with and rather than work to restore and repair it to harmony and justice..you "separate yourself" from worldly things and focus on "eternity". Don't just trust that if you fulfill the purpose of this LIFE by your DEEDS that I'll take care of you..the purpose of life is just to worship in the "right" way.
hmm..now would that make sense to the Jews who have always believed that Jew AND GENTILE could always and remain always able to connect to God DIRECTLY? Would that make sense to a people who have had a set of laws and ethics that teach us that our very purpose for existing is that we are partners with our fellow humans and God to repair and restore this world to a harmonious existence of justice, mercy and righteousness? The whole of the covenant of israel, the Tanakh is trying to teach Israel, the Jewish people how to live as an example of such a path. Have we as a people ever been the shining example we are supposed to be? Never as a WHOLE..but there has always been and shall forever remain...at least a remnant who have and do. That's what ETERNAL MEANS. and since the Jewish people and our covenant are still here after thousands of years of EVERY form of attempt to obliterate it and us imaginagble..that's a good enough reason to trust that it's not going to go away in the future.
Jews who have left Judaism for another covenant of faith..especially the New Testament..the replacement theology designed specifically to do away WITH Judaism..are those who rejected their Jewish heritage. Jews don't tell them they lost it..they rejected it. It's STILL there waiting for them to reembrace if they desire. If their Jewishness is SINCERELY important to them, they would reject the foreign god worship and reembrace the Torah.
Jewish law says that one born a Jew remains a Jew..but it does NOT say that any NEW religion a Jew adopts therefore becomes a form of Judaism. In fact...the prophets REPEATEDLY condemn Kings and those of Israel who tried and did such things..that's right in the Tanakh for all to see.
an easy rhyme to remember a simple truth of Judaism
Worship of or through a Jew is a clear violation of Torah to do.
Worship of or through any human violates Torah..I just put it that way because it rhymes.
God doesn't become man ( God said so explicitly in the Bible for all you Bible literalists why is that one ignored?)
Jews are forbidden to worship anything on earth or in heaven other than God.
http://www.mjaa.org/site/PageServer?page… %26lt; compare the statements of belief of this group...that for it's first 60 years was honestly named the "Hebrew Christian Alliance" with the beliefs of Jews found in Torah and Tanakh and at http://www.jewfaq.org/beliefs.htm and JUDGE FOR YOURSELF how logical a claim of congruence between those two belief systems could be. Don't take my word for it, please. LOOK for YOURSELF.|||No
"messianic Jews" renamed the New Testament the "Brit Chadasha" kinda like the Jews did with the Septuagint. So following your logic the Jews then would have been trying to fool poor unsuspecting pagans into becoming Jews. I hope you really don't think that.|||No.
And I'm sorry, marcuss, but my sis-in-law did not become a "non-Jew" when she became Messianic. Good grief! You really don't read much Torah, do you?! She is just as much Jew as she always was and is still Torah-observant.
It is disgraceful that Jews in Yahoo are so unwilling to read and understand their own religion!
I see my hubby got here before me . . .
God bless,
Mrs. S.|||No. It is a loaded question because you know that Christians know that the Quran is false in relation to Christian dogma. Other stories in it have a certain charm and appeal. I can understand how Muslims can benefit from its wisdom.
Tack on the Origin of Species to the Bible. Enlightened Christians would not have a problem with an inconsistent theology (Science and religion compliment each other). Fundamentalists on the other hand would have severe issues and a lot to say about the matter. You know whet we say about each other.
Obviously there is more to it in the case causing the irritation. Leaving that aside it can be seen as a denominational split between Enlightened Jews and Fundamentalist Jews. From the non-Jew both parties look like Jews and in order to recognize that one group is not Jewish requires an understanding of Judaism that I don't have.|||No not at all. Its gonna be a whole lot different than if I renamed the Tanak something like the "Old Testament". That is accepted as a Christian holy book last time I checked. I have seen Jews do all kinds of things and go about reading there scriptures and praying.
Black Sheep COR|||Answer: Of course not. We know God's commandments when we see them.
Comment: Marcuss, I think it's deeply sad that you have so much hate in your soul for other human beings who simply disagree with you. Look inside yourself, man! Examine what you've become! It's shameful that you act this way.
EDIT -- temper, temper marcuss! No one's trying to "steal" your identity. I think the entire world knows the difference between what you and a MJ believe, so why get so upset over it? After all, if MJs are wrong, God will take care of it in His way.|||It matters what you say about your brothers and sisters here on Earth. G-d knows who's who and what's what. G-d will judge. These people you hate are your family. So says Suckels the Wise. So says JewFaq.|||Do seriously believe that any Jewish person hasn't heard about Jesus Christ, and could be tricked somehow into believing in him.
I guess I just give Jewish people more credit than that. I think the ones that become believers in Christ made the decision knowingly.
But that doesn't mean that they must give up all their Jewish religious heritage, and if they want to call something by a Hebrew name, what is that to you?|||This is how my english teacher saw islam, christianity and judaism.
Old testament = Judaism
New Testament = Christianity
Koran which could be considered a newer testament = Islam
All start in the Old Testament... so therefore they believe in the same God but in different points of view.|||its not the "newest"
the new and everlasting covenant is given by Jesus to the lds church
Subscribe to:
Post Comments (Atom)
No comments:
Post a Comment