The Jewish Tanakh is organized according to genres. The Torah, or Law, is first (also known as the Pentateuch). Then the Nebicim, or Prophets. This begins with the former prophets (Joshua, Judges, Samuel-Kings) and is followed by the latter prophets (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and the 12 minor prophets). Finally the Ketubim, or writings (Psalms, Job, Proverbs, Ruth, Song of Songs, Ecclesiastes, Lamentation, Esther, Daniel, Ezra-Nehemiah, Chronicles)
A few points of interest: the last chapter of Proverbs, Ruth, and Song of Songs all discuss women (particularly the virtuous woman) and are arranged in that order.
Ruth, Song of Songs, Ecclesiastes, Lamentation, and Esther are called the Megillot - each book was associated with a particular Jewish festival.
Several books in the Jewish Tanakh were divided into more books in the Greek-English Old Testament because of the number of scrolls it was written on. For instance, 1 Samuel through 2 Kings was actually one book, but a book that large could not fit on one scroll, so it was divided into four scrolls. This became 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel, 1 Kings, and 2 Kings in the Greek-English Bible.
The Greek-English translation of the Bible, however, is generally arranged historically.
Personally, I don't believe that either arrangement is at fault or that one is "holier" than the other. However, I do think that the Jewish arrangement does allow the reader to focus more on the literary context of each book than the Christian arrangement does. The Christian Old Testament is often taught with too much emphasis on the historical and little to no emphasis on the literary context.
little not already in my answer, but perhaps you were clearer, or I seemed to add too much. One error - true, 1 Sam - 2 Ki s is not four books, but it's really TWO not one (Samuel, Kings) and is so treated in the Hebrew text
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Why there is different book arrangement between Christian Old Testament and Jewish Tanakh?There was an attempt made to arrange them in some what of a chronological order.
That is we begin with genesis/ creation and we end with revelations which hints of the end. The idea was to give the impression that we had a coherent story with prophecy's that were made and then fulfilled.
This was done to give credibility to the idea that the bible was compiled to promote. The bible as it stands to this day was created by the roman empire to change the message of Jesus to something that the Romans found more acceptable.
This is why it is often difficult to understand.
The message of Jesus on the other hand is elegant and simple to understand. You need to separate the message that Jesus left for us from all of the nonsense that the Romans overlaid it with and it will start to become quite easy to understand.
Don't take my word for any of this. Study biblical history for your self and draw your own conclusions. There are many good books on this subject by some intelligent and thoughtful people. Take advantage of their efforts.
Email if you are interested and I will send some suggested reading material.
Love and blessings.
Don
The Jews Orthodox do not agree with the christian world and our bible, they do not accept Jesus Christ as the messiah.Why there is different book arrangement between Christian Old Testament and Jewish Tanakh?
The key to the whole is 'what to do with the "[sacred] Writings" (a catch-all name to begin with).
Ego's description of the order of the Hebrew Bible is pretty good, though his characterization of the third part does not seem entirely adequate.
I would also point out that the "third section" was known when Christianity began.
In fact, the three-part division is reflected in the New Testament. In the gospels we read of the WHOLE 'Old Testament' referred as "the Law" AND as "the Law and Prophets", but ALSO as "The Law, the Prophets and the Psalms" [Luke 24] -- "the Psalms" being a convenient designation for the last part because
a) it is the most prominent (and widely used --liturgically, for prayers and songs) of these books
b) it is associated with another of the major Old Testament figures, often cited along with Moses , viz., DAVID
Actually, these two reasons probably explain why it frequently is the FIRST book in "the Writings"
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The order is not quite as radically altered as may at first appear. And once you see how the books of the "Writings" were re-distributed, it's fairly easy to understand. All the more so when you observe that there CONTINUED to be much variation of the order of the books WITHIN this section in various JEWISH traditions.
In other words, the ONE real difference between the Jewish and Christian orders stems from the issue of 'what to do with this set of books. And the fact that this was never quite settled within JEWISH circles argues AGAINST some deliberate Christian "scheme" to re-arrange the canon for their own purposes.
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1) First, note that MUCH of the order of the major "blocks" is the same or very close.
Thus there is no difference in the internal order of the five books of Moses, the four books that tell the main 'history of the kingdom' [Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings]** and the order of the "latter prophets" (Isaiah - Malachi)
In fact, if you simply leave out the "Writings" --the third section of the Jewish canon-- ALL the rest of the books are in the SAME order in both canons. (see the list at the end)
** I list Samuel and Kings (and later Chronicles) as each ONE book -- literarily they are, and were only split for the sake of more manageable scrolls.
2) In other words the MAIN difference between the two is caused by decisions in early Greek translations about how to handle the DIVERSE types of books collected in the "Writings".
These ended up being distributed THEMATICALLY, inserted in an historically appropriate place
ADDED to the history books:
Ruth - placed after Judges (since it is set in the period of the Judges)
Chronicles and Ezra-Nehemiah (related books) - after the main history section (Judges - Kings), which the historically overlap with and carry
Esther - story from Persian times, placed last
ADDED to the second group of the Prophets (Isaiah - Malachi)
Daniel - after Isa, Jer, Ez, so that the four are in a chronological order
Lamentations, associated with Jeremiah (and the fall of Jerusalem) is inserted after Jeremiah
(Hosea - Malachi was treated in the Hebrew Bible as one unit -- this was maintained in the Greek translation and Christian Bible)
The REST of the "Writings" are then placed in a 'chronological order' according to the main person they are associated with
Job (ancient patriarch)
Psalms (David)
Proverbs, Song of Songs, Ecclesiastes (Solomon)
[Proverbs --the longest-- is first; Eccl is last as portraying the perspective at the END of his life]
Thus the Greek Bible simply took principles used in the first two major sections subsections of the Hebrew canon, and their subsections, and applied them to the 'remainder'/writings. That is, it used some of the main thematic organization already found, AND moved books into a 'more chronological' sequence within their section.
The underlying order WITHIN several parts of the Hebrew Bible was already fairly chronological --- the Law, 'Former Prophets' [Judges - Kings] and the 'Latter Prophets' when we view them as Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, 'Book of the Twelve' (since the last of these [Hosea - Malachi] ENDS much later than the others.. well after the exile.
The only other change is that the four 'poetic' (and 'wisdom literature') section created by redistributing the rest is moved to stand between the two main sections of "prophets" -- the "former prophets" (the history) and the "latter" or "writing" prophets. Note that this causes the MAJOR sections of the canon to now fall in a more chronological order AS SECTIONS
Moses - history from Conquest on -- David %26amp; Solomon -- prophets to Malachi
3) Note that the JEWISH order of the books in the "Writings" has itself varied considerably -- based on different applications of principles of CHRONOLOGY and LITURGY (use).
One common general order groups them in three 'chunks' (though with variations within each chunk).
In this scheme the three longest books are placed first, but which is first may vary. Of these, most printed editions now begin with the Psalms, which accords with its importance in Jewish thinking and liturgical USE. But not all manuscripts that grouped these three together followed this order; some followed a more 'chronological' scheme and place Job first
The next five books of the "Megilloth" are in different orders in different Jewish communities. Note that the REASON for this grouping is probably LITURGICAL -- based on the Jewish tradition found among the Ashkenazi communities of reading one specific book from each of these during an important religious holiday (feast or fast day).
One places them all in CHRONOLOGICAL order by subject. This is the order found in the Hebrew Bible on my shelf (Biblica Hebraica Stuttgartensia).
Another order follows the order of the feast days in the Jewish calendar with which each is associated in the Ashkenazi tradition, the order you will find in the Jewish Publication Society's edition.
This is the order of the BHS, with a-e indicating the liturgical/JPS order
Ruth (Feast of Weeks [Pentecost]) b
Song of Songs (Passover) a
Ecclesiastes (Tabernacles [in the fall]) d
Lamentations (9th of Ab) c
Esther (Purim) e
But there are other variations even if the Megilloth is handled as one unit, and traditions that re-order the WHOLE of the Writings, such as those that begin with Ruth, followed by the Psalms (probably on the reasoning that Ruth ends by laying out the lineage of DAVID, so acting as a preface to the Psalms of David).
For the many variations within the Writings see the first paragraph of the section "the Talmudic sequence" in this article
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.j鈥?/a>
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Here, if it helps, is the "Greek" order -- with all the parts from the "Writings" in brackets. As you can see, the rest of the books are in the same order as in the Hebrew canon. [Yes, this follows the 'Protestant' order ... as long as this all is, I will not attempt the further question of the position of books of the Apocryhpa in its various forms]
Genesis - Deuteronomy
Joshua, Judges {Ruth}
Samuel, Kings
{Chronicles, Ezra-Nehemiah, Esther}
{Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs}
Isaiah, Jeremiah {Lamentations}
Ezekiel {Daniel}
Hosea - Malachi
The sequence of the books is different, but both have essentially identical content.
Tanakh = Old Testament
Torah = Five books of Moses
Talmud = Commentary of the Rabbies, which is roughtly equivalent to the Jewish version of what Roman Catholics call their Catechism.
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The Christian arrangement of the Hebrew Bible is arranged in an order chronological to the birth of Jesus.
The Jewish arrangement of the Hebrew Bible is separated into three sections -- the five books of Moses, the Prophets, and the writings. For Jews, the Bible is the story of our relationship with God and His instructions for how to live our lives here on this earth.
The Christian Bible is a roadmap to the afterlife.
Shalom
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Definitely. The order of the books is very different. I have copies of each that I use.
And the Catholic bible has the Apochrapha, which aren't included either in the Jewish Bible or the Protestant bibles.
(I use a Catholic bible myself.)
Here is the order of the Tanakh:
The Torah (same in all bibles)
Joshua
Judges
First Sam
Second Sam
First Kings
Second Kings
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Ezekiel
Hosea
Joel
Amos
Obadiah
Jonah
Micah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Haggai
Zechariah
Psalms
Proverbs
Job
Song of Songs
Ruth
Lamentations
Eccles
Esther
Daniel
Ezra
Nehemia
First Chron
Second Chron.
Malachi (YI won't allow me to complete the list. )
Different faiths, different traditions.
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The Christian version of the Tanakh uses, sadly, MIStranslated Hebrew. Those of us who read accurately translated versions of the original scriptures KNOW that the Jewish messianic prophecies have not been fulfilled and that Jesus did not fulfill a single one. Nor is he mentioned anywhere in Jewish scripture.
I have spoken with Christians who HAVE read the translations recommended to them by Jewish friends and Rabbis, for example, and they always get quite a surprise when they discover how much was changed in the Christian versions.
When the Council of Nicaea addressed the issue of which texts would be worthy of study (later considered "canonized texts") they used the Septuagint from the Library of Alexandria Egypt as the Old Testaments...literally "70 books". There was a later Jewish council that revised those texts and removed some. The Catholics aren't the only ones using the Apocrypha. We Orthodox Christians also use them. The Protestant leaders, particularly Martin Luther, didn't like the use of Maccabees to substantiate the doctrine of Purgatory. So he removed the books that he found distasteful. He also edited out entire passages from the books he kept. Others followed suit. It took until the 20th century to sort out the original texts from those in use by Protestant churches for 500 years.
Everyfaith and religion has a different way of looking at life. It is necessary therefore for different types of approaches and ways of expression and order. Goal of each religion is the same. GOOD OF THE PEOPLE. Let us go on, with no hatred towards any one, Gd bless us all, both believers and also nonbelievers.
The oldest surviving more or less complete Christian canon 'codices' open with a substantial collection of older Israelite scriptures. We are speaking here of 3 codices dating from around 400 - 500 AD:
* Codex Vaticanus
* Codex Sinaiticus
* Codex Alexandrinus
These testify to differences in the precise listing and arrangement of the 'ancient scriptures' (Israelite). To the best of our knowledge these first 'uncial' codices had no title pages introducing scriptures of the first or second part. (At least none have survived). This means there is no distinction between older and newer scriptures as in modern Bibles.
Gentile Christians were the first to begin the assembling and publishing of Hebrew scrolls together in large codices in the 2nd century AD. The creators of these codices were not seeking a perfect listing or arrangement but simply to preserve the books then in use in churches so that they would not become discarded (per Gnostic Marcion's view of abandoning older Hebrew scriptures).
These differences in listing and arrangement eventually raised questions at the end of the 4th century AD and involved Jerome (342 - 420 AD) translating the Greek Bible into Latin.
Religious books are canonizations of various texts, arranged by religious scholars, courts, or other authorities over the years.
For Jews, the order is this: First the Torah (T in Tanakh) was assembled from a series of ancient scriptures. Then, the prophets (Neviim is N in Tanakh) was assembled from various sources (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, etc.). Finally, a compendium of scholarly analysis was published. (Ketuvim, K in Tanakh, means writing in Hebrew) The order of the books logically follows the history of the Jewish people and the evolution of their religious thought.
Christianity emerged as a religion after the Torah %26amp; Neviim were published. Christian scholars included these in their Bibles, and added the Gospels (New Testament).
In all cases, the order and interpretation of the text is purposeful to support the primary message of the religion. Even today, minor modifications to these documents are common. However, any change generally leads to a schism within the religious movement, resulting in a new sect.
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